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DID ANYONE EXPECT ANY THING LESS FROM BELACHEAT?

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It doesn't matter if it affected the game. The bottom line is they broke the rules over and over again. There should be additional punishment if this is true.

Yes, I do think it helped them and are tarnished in my mind. A full investigation should be done with an outside party and not the NFL. Evidence is not destroyed unless there is something to hide. Roger Goodell should be fired if there is more evidence to the Patriots cheating and he pushed it under the rug to save the Patriots and/or NFL.

The integrity of the game should be preserved. The NFL is a business, but it should not be all about money. There should be no place in sport for cheaters and those who help cheaters.

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No coach or organization is going to state that it was the cheating that altered the outcome of the game. It is a club, and another team [even though they are cheaters] looks bad for the organization.

However, we all know that if you know the what the other side is doing it gives you a clear advantage. The Patriots won their superball by 3 points. A small margin that was perhaps the outcome of the game being unfair.

Having gained the impression that they were a team destined to repeat a super bowl win, good players naturally wanted to join. So the basic wins lead to continued unfair advantage in securing good players.

It is indeed a team that has soiled its image and the coach much touted as the best in the league has no business being respected.

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My question is anyone could tape games from Sunday Ticket or NFL Network and watch them later. So is that the same or close to it? That use to be called scouting before you played them.

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The patriots should be made an example of and I think the integrity of the game is at stake here. This was not a case of one player cheating this is cheating on a grand scale because an entire organization is at fault. Then to exacerbate things the league tries to cover it up. If it isn't a big deal then why destroy the evidence? It is probably worse then we know. I truly hope this doesn't go away and I hope that belacheat is hurt by this he should pay and pay big!

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So, even with the Steelers coach coming forward and stating that the Patriots win was NOT because of cheating, you people still believe they only won because of cheating? what is it like to be so single mindedly stupid? You do realize that teams can get 95-100% of another teams signals "legally" and that scouters don't even understand why bill would choose to video tpae as they do not see any extra advantage. Do you really think that knowing another teams signals is an "unfair advantage" and if so, why does the league allow it in any capacity? what Spector is doing is disgaceful and thinking it is okay means you are putting your hatred of the patriots before your duty as an american. You think it is okay for a politician to spend taxpayers money pursuing an issue that does not break any laws? WTF is wrong with you!!! No wonder this country is so messed up.

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Not to mention that Spector's real motives are questionable since one of his major contributors is Comcast which is in contract dispute with the NFL Network, but oh let's not think about that. Politicians do need to take care of their campaign contributers. Screw the rest of us average working class idiots. Our issues can just go on the back burner while we straighten out football!!!

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Cowher.. "stealing signals is an advantage...but does not effect the outcome of the game"?? Huh? What is now happening is the NFL machine getting the word out to all Personnel.. (Coaches and ex-Coaches with pensions) to fall in line and try to make this a non-issue because of the prospect of the NFL losing its anti-trust exemption which is worth Billions!!! This cover-up is going to get bigger before its "un covered"!!

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One more thing, I am not condoning what Bill Belechik did, but it needs to be put into perspective. You people are equating the video-taping to the Patriots having the answers to a test. You are so far off-base it is incredible. Even if you knew 100% of another teams signals (which many teams do going into games) using them in a way that helps you is very difficult. Why do your think stealing signals is permitted? The NFL knows there is no real advantage. A play is called (with thousands of screaming fans) and ball is in motion all within 20 seconds. Players are already in position before a play is called. What are they going to hear the other teams play call a time out, discuss and argue whether they all heard the play right with thousands of screaming fans, cross their fingers, say three hail mary's, do the sign of the cross, kiss the rabbit's foot and whoo hoo we win. If it was that simple, signal stealing would not be allowed since you do not need to video tape to get all of a teams signals. what this has amounted to, is Bill has emabarrased his team and the NE fans for what essentially amounts to no added advantage (if Scouters are to be believed)it really is a shame for the players.

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There really is something wrong here. I was very surprised when Goodell acted so quickly and then destroyed the tapes. It just seemed wrong. Now it seems there is more to the story. The NFL is "the Great American Success Story". Goodell and Belechick have muddied the skirts of the league and as long as Belechick remains in coaching things are going to get worse. He needs to withdraw until this storm has blown through and Goodell needs to lead an "open" investigation or he too should resign.

We can put up with a lot of things, but the very idea that the games are not on the up and up will kill the NFL

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ik ik ik

You sound like you love his country

Our forefathers built it on "trust" and "faith"
Not scoundrels and lies. They broke away and fought against a country whose leaders had no integrity and were all about themselves first and foremost.

Through this they created free enterprise and governed businesses actions to prevent its wonderful citizens from being screwed.

Well billycrep has screwed us and we ain't happy.

In other words Specter is doing the correct thing.

Let reality sink in, no one wants to hear their beloved is a lowlife scum bag creep and a crook.
Worst of all a cheat. But you'll come to terms with it son enough. The longer you hold on the worse it will hurt

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On your comment slw. Watching tape on a football game and going through their final walk thru and just taping the offensive and defensive coordinators is a little different than watching the game tape. All the attention is put right on the coordinators or the certain plays that the opposing is running during the final walk thru. Man. Stop making excuses for the bums.

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Well I am not going to try and argue with a moron, since you can not even grasp the concept of what I am saying. You are the ones that refuse to let go, because it is all you have to explain away why your teams suck! NFL just replayed the pats/carolina superbowl, which one would assume Bellacheat, as you put it, was taping them as well and the double digit carolina underdogs almost beat the pats. 29/29 tie with the pats winning in the last 10 seconds with a 41 yard field goal. Oh yeah, they looked like they had a MAJOR advantage. They set a league record for most amount of minutes in a superbowl game without any points. Gee, if they have some great advantage why did they play it so close. Why were all their superbowl wins so close? Why have they not wond every Superbowl. I mean, they clearly have a cheating advantage, right? When you can actually explain to me how they have an "unfair advantage" then maybe you will convince me. You act like the other teams do not know their signals? I will say it again for the thick headed. If stealing signals was an unfair advantage, it would NOT BE ALLOWED IN ANY CAPACITY!! But like I said, I give up trying to explain anything logically to you, because you WANT to believe they won by unfair means. That is simply what you want to believe and you block out any reasoning that would prove otherwise. The steelers coach must be lying when he says they did not lose because of signal stealing. Of course he is lying. The scouters are lying everyone is lying when it comes to defending the Pats. The only truthful people are the ones against the Pats. Yeah that's it. I feel sorry for you actually. I am proud of my ability to remain open-minded. So please explain to me how you would win if you had the Pats signals. Remember now, you don't get them till the play is in progress.

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BTW one thing worse than a cheat, is a hypocrite. Own it. You must be very young and naive to think the Pats are the only ones using video-taping. They were not the only ones accused, just the only ones punished. Why do you think none of the coaches are piling on? They do not want any attention focused on them. Like the beloved Colts. Talk about hypocrysy. yeah that was feedback of the audience sound...right! Feedback is an echo not a skipping sound, but no, not the beloved Colts. Cheaters!

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lk, Man, your boner for the patsies has made you delusionsal! Do you know how stupid you sound?

You say: "Even if you knew 100% of another teams signals (which many teams do going into games) using them in a way that helps you is very difficult. Why do your think stealing signals is permitted? The NFL knows there is no real advantage."
----Appearantly the NFL does know there is a "real" advantage since it's "against the rules" to do so from "how" the patsies gained the information and were fined.

You say: "A play is called (with thousands of screaming fans) and ball is in motion all within 20 seconds. Players are already in position before a play is called. What are they going to hear the other teams play call a time out, discuss and argue whether they all heard the play right with thousands of screaming fans..."
-----Do you even watch football? The ball insn't in motion when the offense calls the play, sees how the defense is lined up, then they make the audible according to the formation. This would definitly give you an advantage if you knew what the other team was calling. Plus did you know that the QB has a transmitter in his helmet?!?!?!... LIKE NO WAY!

lk you should know what you are talking about before opening your mouth! Quit stating ignorant remarks and have other people correct you!

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LK, ya know, you really are an idiot. Most intelligent folks enter into a debate with some sort of understanding of what the other side believes to be true, but not you, you just blow hard and make no sense.

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Feedback is when the output cycles back through the input causeing a disruption in the soundwave which can either alter the sound or relay it back as a delay. This is what we heard during the game not a skipping sound!..LOL The acoustics of the dome like many, can revert sound back through microphones causing a delay in which we heard during that game. Have you ever been to a concert? Why do you think they do sound checks and everything? Most of the time feedback can be controled by adjusting the levels and intake of the frequency since there is a constant flow of sound.

Feedback is not all that uncommon!

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Well genious, all I know is the Pats didn't cheat this year. They practically had the NSA on them and they broke many league records. Tom Brady's passing record was 117.00 compared to 85-95 on the years he supposedly had some kind of advantage. BTW you do realize that the other teams have the Pats signals too right? From what I am reading you can get pretty much all of a teams signals without taping, so my point is that yes they broke a league rule, but I don't know that it amounted to a better advantage? but of course, I am sure in your world, it was like amazing advantage right? That is why they baredly pulled out their three Superbowl wins. I mean watch the game and explain to me the advantage part, cuz I am not seeing it. Christ the Panthers almost beat them and they were major underdogs. The pats won by a fkiled goal in the final seconds. If you have a major advantage, shouldn't the wins be more lopsided?

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lk you answered your own questions in your last post. But yes the patsies did cheat this year, that is why spygate started, they got caught!

lk, you're to stubborn to see the truth. Like Bill W said, "The longer you hold on the worse it will hurt"

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There is to much dog pile on the patriots from with-in their own kind to think the cheating didn't have an impact on the games.

All the other dynasty's from different decade (which IMO are better then New England) weren't accused or sunned by the rest of the NFL.. The coaches and the players know what billycreep did some are letting little slips some are maintaining their loyalty (to the league)

I'm convinced that there is more to come.

Those that are sticking by their cheating by trying to condone it as alright and saying everyone does it will never accept the fact that a wrong was committed. That a wrong never justifies the means. It ain't worth your time arguing with them incognito they will never understand.

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