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Lastings Milledge, recently acquired by the Pittsburgh Pirates, finishes a swing in early April for the Washington NationalsFutilitywatch '09 is a our semi-regular update on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their march toward their record 17th consecutive losing season.

How many teams in baseball history have traded 2/3rds of their starting outfields in consecutive years? The Pirates started 2008 with an offense-oriented outfield of Jason Bay, Nate McLouth, and Xavier Nady, from left to right. With Bay and Nady slated to become free agents in the two coming offseasons and having good years at the plate, the Pirates dealt them and shifted towards a defensive outfield of Nyjer Morgan, McLouth, and Brandon Moss. Now, Morgan and McLouth are gone and GM Neal Huntington may not be done dealing. Where does that leave the Pirates?

 

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]]> Futilitywatch 09Futilitywatch09Lastings MilledgeLastingsMilledgeNeal HuntingtonNealHuntingtonNyjer MorganNyjerMorgan Pat Lackey pat-lackey 2009-07-03T13:00:00 00:00 Cuban Pitcher Aroldis Chapman Defects http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/07/02/cuban-pitcher-aroldis-chapman-defects/ http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/07/02/cuban-pitcher-aroldis-chapman-defects/ http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/07/02/cuban-pitcher-aroldis-chapman-defects/#comments Pat Lackeyby Pat Lackey

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July 2 is already an exciting day for prospect wonks, as it's the first day that teenage Latin American free agents are allowed to sign with major league teams. While waiting on official announcements for superprospects like Wagner Mateo and Miguel Angel Sano, some unexpected news broke today.

ESPN's Jorge Arangure relays a report from a Cuban website that 21-year-old Cuban pitcher Aroldis Chapman walked out of the Cuban national team's hotel room in Rotterdam, the Netherlands today and plans to defect to America to pitch in the major leagues in the near future. What happens next is all speculation at this point, but Arangure says Chapman is the best Cuban prospect since Jose Contreras and could command more than $30 million on the open market.

 

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]]> Aroldis ChapmanAroldisChapman Pat Lackey pat-lackey 2009-07-02T13:33:00 00:00 Ian Snell Says Depression, Thoughts of Suicide Led to Self-Demotion to Minors http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/07/01/ian-snell-says-depression-thoughts-of-suicide-lead-to-self-demo/ http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/07/01/ian-snell-says-depression-thoughts-of-suicide-lead-to-self-demo/ http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/07/01/ian-snell-says-depression-thoughts-of-suicide-lead-to-self-demo/#comments Pat Lackeyby Pat Lackey

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There have been very few stranger soap operas in baseball this year than the Ian Snell saga in Pittsburgh. Expected to be one of the Pirates' top starters after signing a contract extension before the 2008 season, Snell has struggled on the mound in the past two seasons, posting 5.00-plus ERAs and struggling with his control. It all came to a head about a week ago when Snell asked the Pirates to be demoted, then gave a strange impromptu press conference where he lashed out at reporters and bloggers and talked about his need to get away from the negative atmosphere of Pittsburgh.

On Sunday, Snell struck out 17 hitters in seven innings in his first start back in Triple-A. Wednesday, he talked to Indianapolis TV station WTHR and revealed that he's been battling depression and actually contemplated suicide about a month ago. He says he wanted the trip to Indianapolis to help clear his head because it's somewhere he's always liked pitching, having thrown a no-hitter with the Indians back in 2005.

 

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]]> Ian SnellIanSnell Pat Lackey pat-lackey 2009-07-01T18:32:00 00:00 Ivan Rodriguez Says He'll Play Until He Has 3,000 Hits http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/29/ivan-rodriguez-says-hell-play-until-he-has-3-000-hits/ http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/29/ivan-rodriguez-says-hell-play-until-he-has-3-000-hits/ http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/29/ivan-rodriguez-says-hell-play-until-he-has-3-000-hits/#comments Pat Lackeyby Pat Lackey

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Ivan Rodriguez has had a great career. He won an MVP award with Texas in the '90s, has 13 Gold Gloves and an impeccable reputation as a defensive catcher. He's caught more games than anyone in baseball history, and his presence on the 2003 Florida Marlins was widely cited as an intangible reason for their improbable run to the World Series. There have been some loose ties to PEDs that come along with being in the Texas Rangers' clubhouse in the 1990s and that might affect Hall of Fame voting for him, but it's way too early to tell with something like that.

Pudge, however, has decided that all of this isn't enough and he'd like to stick around for a few more years until he reaches 3,000 hits. He's only about 350 hits away, but at the pace he's currently going, he might have to start and play regularly for three years after this one to reach his goal.

 

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]]> Ivan RodriguezIvanRodriguez Pat Lackey pat-lackey 2009-06-29T15:11:00 00:00 Andrew McCutchen Has Pittsburgh a Little Too Excited http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/28/andrew-mccutchen-has-pittsburgh-excited/ http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/28/andrew-mccutchen-has-pittsburgh-excited/ http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/28/andrew-mccutchen-has-pittsburgh-excited/#comments Pat Lackeyby Pat Lackey

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With the Steelers and Penguins reigning as champs of their respective sports, it's certainly a fun time to be a Pittsburgh sports fan. The trouble now, with the Penguins' season over and Steelers camp still a month away, is that the only game in town is the Pirates. That's fine for a baseball geek like me, but many more casual Pirate fans are trying to make this rebuilding club, barely hanging around .500, into something they're not.

All those fans had their fires stoked a bit this week when Beaver County Times columnist Bob Hertzel decided to compare Andrew McCutchen, the Bucs' exciting rookie, to the golden standard of Pittsburgh Pirates, Roberto Clemente. I shouldn't have to tell anyone why this comparison is both unfair and ridiculous, but I'm going to anyways.

 

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]]> Andrew McCutchenAndrewMccutchenRoberto ClementeRobertoClemente Pat Lackey pat-lackey 2009-06-28T17:20:00 00:00 Cards Step Up Pursuit of Matt Holliday http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/27/cards-step-up-pursuit-of-matt-holliday/ http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/27/cards-step-up-pursuit-of-matt-holliday/ http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/27/cards-step-up-pursuit-of-matt-holliday/#comments Pat Lackeyby Pat Lackey

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Matt Holliday of the Oakland A's may soon be headed somewhere else. With the Cubs imploding and the Brewers still in desperate need of pitching, the road to a playoff return for the St. Louis Cardinals is looking more and more wide open. The Cardinals see this opportunity themselves.

As such, they have begun keeping tabs on A's slugger Matt Holliday should Oakland decide to move him before the trade deadline, a major league source told FanHouse's Jeff Fletcher. St. Louis is cautious because of the size of Holliday's paycheck -- $13.5 million this year -- and his sagging performance in his first season away from Coors Field, but the team is interested in getting perennial MVP candidate Albert Pujols some help in the middle of the order.

Joe Strauss of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch also reported that the team is stepping up its efforts to bring Holliday back to the National League for a stretch run.

 

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]]> Chris PerezChrisPerezJason MotteJasonMotteKyle McClellanKyleMcclellanMatt HollidayMattHollidayRyan LudwickRyanLudwick Pat Lackey pat-lackey 2009-06-27T17:59:00 00:00 Futilitywatch 09: Sliding Towards the Breaking Point http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/26/futilitywatch-09-still-not-at-the-breaking-point/ http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/26/futilitywatch-09-still-not-at-the-breaking-point/ http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/26/futilitywatch-09-still-not-at-the-breaking-point/#comments Pat Lackeyby Pat Lackey

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Futilitywatch '09 is a our semi-regular update on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their march toward their record 17th consecutive losing season.

Despite the fact that I've started each of the last five or so seasons with very little hope that the Pittsburgh Pirates will do anything (push for a playoff spot, finish .500, not embarrass me as a fan ... anything), I still try to be as positive as possible about the Pirates' chances during the season. It's not easy, but it's the only way to keep going as a fan.

At some point each summer, though, the Pirates do something to crush my soul, be it one awful loss or 13 in a row. This year, the Pirates have teetered on the edge of that breaking point a couple times, but to their credit they somehow haven't passed it yet.

 

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]]> Andrew McCutchenAndrewMccutchenFutilitywatch 09Futilitywatch09 Pat Lackey pat-lackey 2009-06-26T12:00:00 00:00 Ian Snell Demotes Himself to Triple-A http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/25/ian-snell-demotes-himself-to-triple-a/ http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/25/ian-snell-demotes-himself-to-triple-a/ http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/25/ian-snell-demotes-himself-to-triple-a/#comments Pat Lackeyby Pat Lackey

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Early Thursday morning, Pirates general manager Neal Huntington defended struggling starter Ian Snell, saying that he would stay in the rotation and the team likes his stuff and just needs to work on a way to get him to be more consistent. Then, in the afternoon, Snell was demoted to Triple-A Indianapolis. More front office doublespeak and b.s.?

Turns out that's not the case this time, as Snell actually went to management Wednesday night and asked for a demotion. His performance to this point in 2009 -- a 2-8 record with a 5.36 ERA and a 1.62 WHIP -- warrants the demotion, but things are never cut and dry with Ian Snell.

 

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]]> Ian SnellIanSnell Pat Lackey pat-lackey 2009-06-25T16:47:00 00:00 Aramis Ramirez Says Injured Shoulder May Bother Him All Year http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/25/aramis-ramirez-says-injured-shoulder-may-bother-him-all-year/ http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/25/aramis-ramirez-says-injured-shoulder-may-bother-him-all-year/ http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/25/aramis-ramirez-says-injured-shoulder-may-bother-him-all-year/#comments Pat Lackeyby Pat Lackey

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Aramis Ramirez watches the Cubs play from the dugoutWith July creeping closer and the Cubs still lingering behind the Cardinals and Brewers in the NL Central, Aramis Ramirez's absence gets more and more noticeable every day. Without him, Mike Fontenot and his pitiful .686 OPS have gotten most of the playing time at third base and Kosuke Fukudome has been the Cubs' second best hitter. Anyway you look at it, that's just not going to cut it.

The good news for Cubs fans is that the Chicago Sun-Times is reporting that Ramirez worked out today and is still planning on starting batting practice this weekend, which means that his original rehab is still approximately on schedule. The bad news is that Ramirez sounds awfully cautious when discussing the shoulder. Click after the jump for some of his words.

 

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]]> Aramis RamirezAramisRamirez Pat Lackey pat-lackey 2009-06-25T13:54:00 00:00 Brewers' Pitching Problems Multiply as Dave Bush Heads to DL http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/23/brewers-pitching-problems-multiply-as-dave-bush-heads-to-dl/ http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/23/brewers-pitching-problems-multiply-as-dave-bush-heads-to-dl/ http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/23/brewers-pitching-problems-multiply-as-dave-bush-heads-to-dl/#comments Pat Lackeyby Pat Lackey

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Brewers' starter Dave Bush delivers a pitch against the Florida Marlins on May 14th, 2009Ever since CC Sabathia and Ben Sheets left Milwaukee via free agency, questions about starting pitching have hounded the Brewers. Could they replace their two aces? Could they compete without them? Yovani Gallardo has been great at the top of the rotation this year, striking out nearly a batter an inning to go with his 3.00 ERA, but behind him the rotation is in shambles. Manny Parra was demoted to Triple-A last week and Tuesday, the Brewers learned they're going to have to put Dave Bush on the disabled list with a small tear in his triceps.

It might seem that this move, which leaves Braden Looper and Jeff Suppan as the best two starters behind Gallardo, would precede some kind of trade, but a major league source told FanHouse Tuesday night that the Brewers don't expect Bush to miss much time, and while he's on the DL, they'll try to get by with Mike Burns,who is taking Bush's rotation spot on Thursday.

 

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]]> Dave BushDaveBushMike BurnsMikeBurnsSeth McClungSethMcclung Pat Lackey pat-lackey 2009-06-23T22:28:00 00:00 Votto Says Father's Death Led to Panic, Disabled List http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/23/votto-says-fathers-death-lead-to-panic-disabled-list/ http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/23/votto-says-fathers-death-lead-to-panic-disabled-list/ http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/23/votto-says-fathers-death-lead-to-panic-disabled-list/#comments Pat Lackeyby Pat Lackey

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Joey Votto makes contact with the ball in a game played on April 8, 2009Now that Joey Votto is back in Toronto with the Reds, he's a little more willing to talk about the circumstances that led to his time on the disabled list with what the team termed "stress-related issues." Tuesday he talked to the Cincinnati Enquirer's John Fay and told him that his father's death last August led to depression and panic attacks that eventually landed him on the disabled list.

I suppose some people will question Votto for this, but when you read his full statement, it's clear that he went through a pretty dark place this spring when his illness and subsequent inner ear infection piled on top of the grief and depression he went through over the winter. It was all just too much for him to juggle with baseball and that's when he went on the disabled list. Part of his statement is after the jump.

 

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]]> Pat Lackey pat-lackey 2009-06-23T17:28:00 00:00 CC Sabathia Expects to Start Friday http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/22/cc-sabathia-expects-to-start-friday/ http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/22/cc-sabathia-expects-to-start-friday/ http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/22/cc-sabathia-expects-to-start-friday/#comments Pat Lackeyby Pat Lackey

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CC Sabathia looks up at the field from the Yankees dugout. After scaring the bejeebers out of the Yankees and all of their fans by leaving his start Sunday in the second inning with left-biceps tightness, CC Sabathia seems to be suffering from no ill effects Monday, telling the New York Daily News that his arm "feels good" and that he expects to make his next start on Friday.

In fact, the Yankees aren't even sending him out for an MRI and if all goes well during a bullpen session later this week, their front office seem to think that his prediction of a Friday start isn't out of the question. As it stands now, he's being treated at the park, but that's just about the only thing they're doing differently.

 

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]]> CC SabathiaCcSabathia Pat Lackey pat-lackey 2009-06-22T19:36:00 00:00 MLB Investigating 'Irregularities' in Latin Prospect Miguel Angel Sano's Age http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/19/mlb-investigating-irregularities-in-latin-prospect-miguel-ange/ http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/19/mlb-investigating-irregularities-in-latin-prospect-miguel-ange/ http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/19/mlb-investigating-irregularities-in-latin-prospect-miguel-ange/#comments Pat Lackeyby Pat Lackey

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There is very little in baseball that's less precise than Latin American scouting. Starting on July 2 each year, big-league teams go out and sign 16-year-old kids from the Dominican Republic, Venezuela, and really anywhere other than Puerto Rico in hopes of unearthing the proverbial next big thing. This year, Miguel Angel Sano is drawing a lot of attention from several teams, and speculation is rife that he may command a signing bonus upwards of $2 million.

Sano is a 6-foot-3 monster who has been compared to everyone from Hanley Ramirez to Alex Rodriguez, and he recently turned 16. With the history of prospects from the Dominican and Sano's impressive stature at such a young age, it comes as no surprise to see that ESPN is reporting that MLB officials are looking in to some irregularities regarding his age (subscription link), including doing a DNA test to prove that he is related to the woman assumed to be his mother due to allegations from the Twins that Melania Jean Sano had a child that died at birth that Sano may be impersonating in an attempt to appear younger.

 

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]]> Miguel Angel SanoMiguelAngelSano Pat Lackey pat-lackey 2009-06-19T17:27:00 00:00 Brandon Webb's Bullpen Canceled http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/19/brandon-webbs-bullpen-session-canceled/ http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/19/brandon-webbs-bullpen-session-canceled/ http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/19/brandon-webbs-bullpen-session-canceled/#comments Pat Lackeyby Pat Lackey

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Brandon Webb sits in the dugout. Christian Petersen/Getty ImagesAs we near the halfway point of the 2009 season, the Arizona Diamondbacks desperately need something. Some expected them to contend in the NL West this year, but they're in dead last, 15 games behind the Dodgers and seven behind the Cardinals in the wild-card race. In fact, only the Nationals have a worse record in the National League right now.

They had hoped that that "something" that would kick start their season would be the return of Brandon Webb. Every team would miss a guy that's finished in the top two in NL Cy Young voting in each of the past three seasons. Unfortunately, Webb's Thursday bullpen session was canceled and he's left the team on their interleague trip to Kansas City to return to Phoenix.

 

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]]> A.J. HinchA.j.HinchBrandon WebbBrandonWebb Pat Lackey pat-lackey 2009-06-19T10:17:00 00:00 Jose Canseco Is Suing Baseball http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/17/jose-canseco-is-suing-baseball/ http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/17/jose-canseco-is-suing-baseball/ http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/17/jose-canseco-is-suing-baseball/#comments Pat Lackeyby Pat Lackey

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I often think to myself that Jose Canseco can't do anything new to surprise me. Whenever I think that, Canseco tends to end up surprising me. What's the next logical step for Canseco after recently being pummeled in his MMA debut? Why a lawsuit, of course. A class-action suit, in fact. Filed against Major League Baseball and the MLBPA. Yep, that sounds about right.

Anyway, if you're interested in the details (and at this point, why wouldn't you be?), Canseco is alleging that he's been blackballed from baseball for both his steroid use and his role as steroid whistleblower and that said blackballing has cost him money, job opportunities, a chance at the Hall of Fame, etc. etc. He's also planning on asking Rafael Palmeiro and Sammy Sosa to join him in the suit.

 

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]]> Jose Canseco Pat Lackey pat-lackey 2009-06-17T20:39:00 00:00 Joey Votto Nearing Return http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/16/joey-votto-should-start-rehab-assignment-soon/ http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/16/joey-votto-should-start-rehab-assignment-soon/ http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/16/joey-votto-should-start-rehab-assignment-soon/#comments Pat Lackeyby Pat Lackey

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The NL Central is in a weird sort of stasis field right now. The teams at the top aren't playing particularly well, while the teams at the bottom aren't playing particularly poorly. That's created a compacted division where, entering play Tuesday, every team, from the Astros at the bottom to the Brewers at the top, is within 4 1/2 games. With a division this close, its conceivable that anything could tip the balance right now. That means it's good news for the Reds that Joey Votto is expected to begin his rehab assignment soon.

Dusty Baker told the Cincinnati Enquirer this afternoon that Votto's been swinging the bat and should start working out with the team soon with a rehab assignment closely following. The Reds don't want to rush him, but their lineup could certainly use his .627 slugging percentage back as soon as possible

 

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]]> Edinson VolquezEdinsonVolquezEdwin EncarnacionEdwinEncarnacionJoey VottoJoeyVotto Pat Lackey pat-lackey 2009-06-16T21:36:00 00:00 Jason Isringhausen Will Have Tommy John Surgery, Says Career Isn't Over http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/15/jason-isringhausen-will-have-tommy-john-surgery-plans-to-return/ http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/15/jason-isringhausen-will-have-tommy-john-surgery-plans-to-return/ http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/15/jason-isringhausen-will-have-tommy-john-surgery-plans-to-return/#comments Pat Lackeyby Pat Lackey

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When a player with a long injury history like Jason Isringhausen leaves a game with elbow pain, it's easy to immediately assume the worst. That's where I assume most Rays fans placed themselves after Izzy pulled himself out of Saturday's game against the Nationals and Monday, the worst-case scenario was confirmed; Isringhausen has a torn ulnar collateral ligament and will require Tommy John surgery for the second time in his career.

Most people expected this announcement to come coupled with Izzy's retirement, but he's not going softly into the night. His agent indicated Monday that Isringhausen will have the surgery, rehab, and try to be in pitching shape again by the middle of next season.

 

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]]> Jason IsringhausenJasonIsringhausen Pat Lackey pat-lackey 2009-06-15T21:59:00 00:00 Baseball Aims for 2016 Return to Olympics; 'Best Players' Will Be Available http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/15/baseball-aims-for-2016-return-to-olympics/ http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/15/baseball-aims-for-2016-return-to-olympics/ http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/15/baseball-aims-for-2016-return-to-olympics/#comments Pat Lackeyby Pat Lackey

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With baseball wiped off of the Olympic slate for the 2012 Olympics in London, MLB President Bob DuPuy and player's union chief Donald Fehr went before the IOC Moneay with International Baseball Federation president Henry Schiller to plead baseball's case for reinstatement to the games by 2016. Their presence at the meeting was undoubtedly to calm the IOC's concerns that Major League Baseball isn't supportive of the Olympics.

In fact, the Chicago Tribune's Phil Hersch is reporting some interesting concessions that MLB says they're willing to make to accommodate the Olympics. Among the more interesting is that they say they won't schedule major league games on the day(s) that the medal games are played and that they'll make a "representative number of the best players available" to play in the proposed five-day Olympic tournament.

 

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]]> bob dupuyBobDupuydonald fehrDonaldFehr Pat Lackey pat-lackey 2009-06-15T21:10:00 00:00 MLB Weekly Rewind: Savior of the Nats http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/15/mlb-weekly-rewind-savior-of-the-nats/ http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/15/mlb-weekly-rewind-savior-of-the-nats/ http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/15/mlb-weekly-rewind-savior-of-the-nats/#comments Pat Lackeyby Pat Lackey

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Every Monday, the MLB Weekly Rewind is here to take a look at the past week in baseball in video form. It's biased, rambling, and mostly cynical, but ... Hey! Moving pictures! Sweet!

 

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]]> MLB Weekly RewindMlbWeeklyRewindStephen StrasburgStephenStrasburg Pat Lackey pat-lackey 2009-06-15T12:00:00 00:00 Futilitywatch 09: A Burst of Life http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/12/futilitywatch-09-a-burst-of-life/ http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/12/futilitywatch-09-a-burst-of-life/ http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/06/12/futilitywatch-09-a-burst-of-life/#comments Pat Lackeyby Pat Lackey

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Futilitywatch '09 is a our semi-regular update on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their march toward their record 17th consecutive losing season.

Just a week ago, we left the Pirates and their fans reeling in the wake of the Nate McLouth trade. Even the fans that felt that the trade was a necessary step of rebuilding (you can put me firmly in that category) were shaken by the loss of McLouth. So now that a week has gone by, just where do the Pittsburgh Pirates stand?

 

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